Comments on: Internal Iron Palm & Iron Body Misconceptions http://www.clearstaichi.com/internal-iron-palm-body/internal-iron-palm-iron-body-misconceptions-1200 Tai Chi Chuan Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:14:56 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Ben http://www.clearstaichi.com/internal-iron-palm-body/internal-iron-palm-iron-body-misconceptions-1200/comment-page-1#comment-1846 Ben Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:51:40 +0000 http://www.clearstaichi.com/?p=1200#comment-1846 Hi Michael, It is important when studying any method or system to follow your teachers directions very carefully. For specific questions about Wing Lam's Iron Palm methods you should ask Wing Lam. It sounds like you might be interested in training Internal Iron Palm. If that is the case we recommend that you stop training any of the external Iron Palm methods you described. They will hurt your hands like you described and they will cause long term damage as well. If you are interested in <u>Internal</u> Iron Palm and Iron Body training then I suggest you start with our <a href="http://www.clearstaichi.com/push-hands/internal-power-video">Internal Power DVD</a> Hi Michael,
It is important when studying any method or system to follow your teachers directions very carefully. For specific questions about Wing Lam’s Iron Palm methods you should ask Wing Lam.

It sounds like you might be interested in training Internal Iron Palm.

If that is the case we recommend that you stop training any of the external Iron Palm methods you described. They will hurt your hands like you described and they will cause long term damage as well.

If you are interested in Internal Iron Palm and Iron Body training then I suggest you start with our Internal Power DVD

]]> By: michael http://www.clearstaichi.com/internal-iron-palm-body/internal-iron-palm-iron-body-misconceptions-1200/comment-page-1#comment-1736 michael Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:39:10 +0000 http://www.clearstaichi.com/?p=1200#comment-1736 hello My question. I do iron palm first time is level one of course, a canvas bag filled with beans , after a few months I still now hitting gravel, but when I hit board just to see how it feels lets say punch and a chop but not to break the board I feel pain, so I don't feel the confidence to be able to attempt to even try yet to break a brick. Been doing all together a little over 2 years, was off for a while but now continue training. Last level is 3rd level canvas bag filled with little balls of steel. In order for me to break a brick stone lets say. Is it vital that I go to third level in iron palm? Or just stay on gravel bag? This iron palm course I ordered through gentleman by name of Wing Lam. He says to hit in morning noon night. What I have been doing is this: I start out stretching, after do iron palm for fifteen minutes, practice my techiques what I am working on for 1 hour on long bag , after continue iron palm for 15 minutes again , done for the night. Does it really matter what times you hit the bag? He recommends to put ditdawjow on, I only use sometimes. If I even put after iron palm only once.after first workout. Does it really matter if I use this dit da jow , or no? Will the way i train take longer to break a brick? Cause I only do 30 minutes hitting total. Much appreciated to answer my questions. Michael I know that karate practioners don't really use ointment, I seen one hit a rock to condition, isn't that going to develop your hand faster? some makiwara board the pad one with beans or balls of steel. one guy telling me to only hit 50 times a day, im doing 15 minutes each session, who is right? hello
My question. I do iron palm first time is level one of course, a canvas bag filled with beans , after a few months I still now hitting gravel, but when I hit board just to see how it feels lets say punch and a chop but not to break the board I feel pain, so I don’t feel the confidence to be able to attempt to even try yet to break a brick. Been doing all together a little over 2 years, was off for a while but now continue training. Last level is 3rd level canvas bag filled with little balls of steel. In order for me to break a brick stone lets say. Is it vital that I go to third level in iron palm? Or just stay on gravel bag? This iron palm course I ordered through gentleman by name of Wing Lam. He says to hit in morning noon night. What I have been doing is this:
I start out stretching, after do iron palm for fifteen minutes, practice my techiques what I am working on for 1 hour on long bag , after continue iron palm for 15 minutes again , done for the night. Does it really matter what times you hit the bag? He recommends to put ditdawjow on, I only use sometimes. If I even put after iron palm only once.after first workout. Does it really matter if I use this dit da jow , or no? Will the way i train take longer to break a brick? Cause I only do 30 minutes hitting total. Much appreciated to answer my questions.

Michael
I know that karate practioners don’t really use ointment, I seen one hit a rock to condition, isn’t that going to develop your hand faster? some makiwara board the pad one with beans or balls of steel.

one guy telling me to only hit 50 times a day, im doing 15 minutes each session, who is right?

]]> By: Dan Eidson http://www.clearstaichi.com/internal-iron-palm-body/internal-iron-palm-iron-body-misconceptions-1200/comment-page-1#comment-736 Dan Eidson Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:48:49 +0000 http://www.clearstaichi.com/?p=1200#comment-736 Once again you continue to shake the tree, separating the internal branches from the external branches. I have never claimed to be able to understand how the internal working of Tai Chi is formed, even though I have always been fascinated by the energy (not the force). I've read much about it and seen live demonstrations through the years. I have some general idea about the internal workings and once in a great while have been able to move the energy in a soft spiral 4 ounce push. I believe Yang Ch'eng-fu, in one of the ten important points of Tai Chi Chuan once said, "Use the Mind and Not Strength. When those who practice external systems are using strength it is apparent, but when they have strength but are not applying it, then they are light and floating. It is obvious that their strength is an external, superficial kind of energy. The strength of practitioners of external systems is very easily manipulated and not worth of praise." So my interpretation of that is, "External force is not soft energy Tai Chi. Its what Tai Chi was before it was Tai Chi--Gong Fu. I don't mean any disrespect to the external arts, which are formidable in their own rights, and also which I have been a part of for a long time. We might have the confidence, yet the uneducated competence may be missing in the true understanding of internal iron palm and internal iron body. It does not bruise my ego one bit to say, "I don't know as much about Tai Chi as I thought I did." My students don't care either. We have so much fun practicing and don't attach much importance to it all. Which is a great philosophy for life as far as I am concerned. So to everyone who teaches Tai Chi, I say, "Lighten Up" Do not attach great importance to your life or with anything you do. When you die and are staring down at your body, will it still be all that important any more? Once again you continue to shake the tree, separating the
internal branches from the external branches. I have never claimed to be able to understand how the internal working of Tai Chi is formed, even though I have always been fascinated by the energy (not the force). I’ve read much about it and seen live demonstrations through the years. I have some general idea about the internal workings and once in a great while have been able to move the energy in a soft spiral 4 ounce push.

I believe Yang Ch’eng-fu, in one of the ten important points of Tai Chi Chuan once said, “Use the Mind and Not Strength.
When those who practice external systems are using strength it is apparent, but when they have strength but are not applying it, then they are light and floating. It is obvious that their strength is an external, superficial kind of energy. The strength of practitioners of external systems is very easily manipulated and not worth of praise.”
So my interpretation of that is, “External force is not soft energy Tai Chi. Its what Tai Chi was before it was Tai Chi–Gong Fu.
I don’t mean any disrespect to the external arts, which are formidable in their own rights, and also which I have been a part of for a long time.

We might have the confidence, yet the uneducated competence may be missing in the true understanding of internal iron palm and internal iron body.

It does not bruise my ego one bit to say, “I don’t know as much about Tai Chi as I thought I did.” My students don’t care either. We have so much fun practicing and don’t attach much importance to it all. Which is a great philosophy for life as far as I am concerned.

So to everyone who teaches Tai Chi, I say, “Lighten Up”
Do not attach great importance to your life or with anything you do. When you die and are staring down at your body, will it still be all that important any more?

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